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INTERVIEW DESCRIPTION - This is one of eight interviews with Lottie Kaplan Spitzer conducted over the course of four months as part of a Senior Honors project in collaboration with the Feminist History Research Project. This penultimate interview was conducted one week after the previous interview following a two month hiatus. The interviews were conducted at the ACWA Retirees Center, which probably helped Spitzer to remember and focus on her union experiences. On the other hand, it might have reinforced only positive sentiments about the union, particularly since at the time of the interview visits there constituted Spitzer's main social excursion. There is a great deal of overlap and repetitiousness between the interviews, partially because of Spitzer's tendency to go off into different directions in response to the interviewer's question. Clearly, certain events and people represent more salient memories and these are the ones she tends to repeat. Despite some of the repetitiousness, however, the interviews provide a nice picture of the kind of grass roots union organizing that women like her carried out, especially in the 1910s. TOPICS - 1918 influenza epidemic; pregnancy and childbirth; living arrangements; living conditions; husband's status as a conscientious objector; husband's work history and wages; family fur coat business; children's education; social and economic demographics of neighborhoods; Depression; job at a millinery; and wages;living arrangements and housing; formation of the CIO; husband's attitude towards the union; managing household, work, recreational, and union activities; job at Bonds Clothing; working conditions; wages; gender and wage discrimination; relationship with co-workers; and vacation pay;vacation pay policies at Bonds Clothing; conflicts with co-workers; promotion to shop supervisor; working conditions; hours; wages; effect of work on family life; returning to operator job; wage and gender discrimination; relationship to Local 275 and Clara Leon;Local 275; Sarah Rozner; first husband's death in 1960; family history; meeting second husband, Morris Spitzer; his family history; friendship and courtship; housing; attitudes about remarrying; friends and social life; educational pursuits; and marriage, 1963;retirement; developing Retiree's Center; Morris Spitzer's career with the ACWA; bundle system, section work, and section tickets; gender division of labor; wage and job discrimination; changes in the clothing industry in the 1930s; decline of the clothing industry in Chicago; and relationship with August Bellanca, 1915 strike;relationship with August Bellanca; Dorothy Bellanca; reflections on her life; and attitude towards men when she was younger; 11/18/1974
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- SUBJECT BIO - Lottie Kaplan Spitzer was an ardent union activist, who organized the shop where she was working in Chicago during the 1915 strike. Born in Kobrin, Russia, the oldest of six children in a relatively affluent family, she emigrated to the US with a friend when she was almost thirteen years old. A cousin in Fall River, Massachusetts, who hoped to marry her, sent her a boat ticket. She worked in his jewelry store briefly and then decided to go to work in an overall factory, to the dismay of her class conscious family. Unhappy in Fall River, once she found a wife for her cousin, she moved to Chicago at the invitation of an aunt. She went to work almost immediately in the garment industry and began organizing the non-union shop where she worked. She continued to organize and advocate for the union for the next three years. From 1918-1935 she was out of the waged labor force, working with her husband, Saul Zeiman, in the several different ventures they tried running a fur coat shop. She returned to the garment industry and union organizing activities, including leafleting for the CIO, in 1935 and continued working until her retirement in 1963. In 1948, she switched from her mixed-gender Local of the ACWA to the Women's Local (275). She particularly enjoyed the companionship of the women and the educational programs. Before retirement in 1963, she married the man who had been her foreman many years earlier and worked with him on establishing a Retirees Center. The interviews with Spitzer were conducted as part of a Senior Honors project by Kris Feichtinger, in collaboration with the Feminist History Research Project. INTERVIEW DESCRIPTION - This is one of eight interviews with Lottie Kaplan Spitzer conducted over the course of four months as part of a Senior Honors project in collaboration with the Feminist History Research Project. This penultimate interview was conducted one week after the previous interview following a two month hiatus. The interviews were conducted at the ACWA Retirees Center, which probably helped Spitzer to remember and focus on her union experiences. On the other hand, it might have reinforced only positive sentiments about the union, particularly since at the time of the interview visits there constituted Spitzer's main social excursion. There is a great deal of overlap and repetitiousness between the interviews, partially because of Spitzer's tendency to go off into different directions in response to the interviewer's question. Clearly, certain events and people represent more salient memories and these are the ones she tends to repeat. Despite some of the repetitiousness, however, the interviews provide a nice picture of the kind of grass roots union organizing that women like her carried out, especially in the 1910s. TOPICS - 1918 influenza epidemic; pregnancy and childbirth; living arrangements; living conditions; husband's status as a conscientious objector; husband's work history and wages; family fur coat business; children's education; social and economic demographics of neighborhoods; Depression; job at a millinery; and wages;living arrangements and housing; formation of the CIO; husband's attitude towards the union; managing household, work, recreational, and union activities; job at Bonds Clothing; working conditions; wages; gender and wage discrimination; relationship with co-workers; and vacation pay;vacation pay policies at Bonds Clothing; conflicts with co-workers; promotion to shop supervisor; working conditions; hours; wages; effect of work on family life; returning to operator job; wage and gender discrimination; relationship to Local 275 and Clara Leon;Local 275; Sarah Rozner; first husband's death in 1960; family history; meeting second husband, Morris Spitzer; his family history; friendship and courtship; housing; attitudes about remarrying; friends and social life; educational pursuits; and marriage, 1963;retirement; developing Retiree's Center; Morris Spitzer's career with the ACWA; bundle system, section work, and section tickets; gender division of labor; wage and job discrimination; changes in the clothing industry in the 1930s; decline of the clothing industry in Chicago; and relationship with August Bellanca, 1915 strike;relationship with August Bellanca; Dorothy Bellanca; reflections on her life; and attitude towards men when she was younger;
- File: lhgwlspitzer20.mp3 Audio Segments and Topics: (0:00-5:14)... Spitzer contracted flu during the 1918 influenza epidemic. In Chicago alone, hundreds of people died, most of whom were young. She was six months pregnant at the time and was bedridden for a week and went into labor, as predicted by the doctor. Her was immediately taken to the hospital for incubation because he was three months premature, and he died six hours later. She was also admitted to the hospital and did not learn about her son's death until she asked the nurse about breast feeding. Spitzer was distraught after losing her son and stayed in the hospital for a few days until she recovered physically and mentally. (5:14-7:20)... After losing her first baby, Spitzer wanted to have another child right away but was advised by her doctor to wait until her body recovered from the trials of birth and the influenza. When she suggested to her husband that they adopt a girl, he convinced her to wait. She tried to conceive for three months, and became concerned and sought medical advice. A short time later, she conceived and gave birth to a boy December, 1919. She planned her third pregnancy after she moved out of the back of their fur coat shop because she did not want to raise another baby in that environment. (7:20-10:48)... When Spitzer married, her husband moved into the room she was renting from a friend. When he went into the army, she moved in with another family on Central Park and 12th Place and went to work for Sears & Roebuck as an operator. When he returned from the service, they rented a one-bedroom apartment on Roosevelt and Crawford. Their apartment was located in the rear and there were medical offices located in the front of the building. The apartment was not equipped with a bathroom. (10:48-11:52)... Spitzer's husband was employed at Marshall Fields when they married in 1917. After he was fired from that job for refusing to work on military uniforms, he was unemployed until he went into the army. Her husband was a conscientious objector during WWI. Many people filed for this status because they did not believe in fighting a war on foreign soil. (11:52-16:02)... When her husband was discharged from the service, he opened a fur coat shop on Costner and Van Buren where they lived and worked for three and a half years. He was offered a foreman position at Turner Brothers, earning $75/week. They rented a two-bedroom apartment on 19th and Harding for $45/month and she boarded one of their rooms to two men who owned a restaurant in the neighborhood. After moving into this apartment, she decided to have another child. When she gave birth to her daughter in 1924, Spitzer asked her boarders to move out so that her children could have their own bedroom. Later, her family moved into a nicer apartment located on Van Buren and Holman Avenue for $60/month. (16:02-17:35)... In 1925, her husband left Turner Brothers and they opened a fur coat store on 65th and Woodlawn. They lived in the back of the store. Spitzer was very unhappy with these living arrangements because they did not have a bathroom and their living quarters were divided from the front of the store by a partition. (17:35-18:38)... The residents of the neighborhood around 65th and Woodlawn where mainly wealthy people, most of whom sent their children to private school. Spitzer and her husband decided to follow suit and sent their son to a private school in Wisconsin where he lived for several years. (18:38-20:52)... A Catholic church and school was located across the street from their store on 65th and Woodlawn. The nuns and the priest of the school frequented Spitzer's shop and enjoyed spending time with her daughter. She began going to school there when she was four years old and left when she was six years old. Although her daughter was well versed in religious history by the time she started school, Spitzer instructed the nuns not to give her a religious education because she was afraid she would get confused later in life when she was introduced to Judaism. (20:52-22:53)... When their revenue declined as a result of changes in the neighborhood around 65th and Woodlawn, they closed the store and opened another one on Devon, and moved into a furnished hotel room where they lived for a couple of months before renting an apartment near their new store. The store was located in a new building and they spent several thousand dollars furnishing and equipping the facility. However, they were unable to make a living in this neighborhood and closed the store six months later. (22:53-26:37)... After they closed their store on Devon (and Rockwell), Spitzer and her husband opened another fur coat store on the south side of Chicago on 79th Street. The neighborhood residents were teachers, city workers and policemen, many of whom were of Irish descent. Their store flourished until the Depression when their clients' wages dramatically decreased. In the mean time, her husband was called back to Turner Brothers and he agreed to return to his position as foreman on the condition he be allowed to operate the shop without interference from the management or the shop owners. She was disappointed about having to close their store. They liquidated their equipment, most of which was purchased by a fur coat tailor who was a friend of her husband's and had worked for his father in Russia. (26:37-30:04)... During the Depression, she sent her daughter to a girl's private school in Wisconsin located directly across the street from her son's school. With both children gone, she decided to go back to work, but was unsuccessful in finding anything in a clothing shop. She answered an advertisement at a millinery and was hired to sew linings and accessories onto hats, with an average weekly pay of $6-$8. End of tape. File: lhgwlspitzer21.mp3 (0:00-2:50)... Spitzer describes the various locations where they lived after closing their fur coat business on Devon and Rockwell. She went back to work at Sears & Roebuck for a short time during this period, which is when her daughter graduated from grammar school. (2:50-4:19)... Spitzer talks about the organizing of the CIO around 1935. She attended meetings and distributed leaflets in support of the CIO. (4:19-6:52)... Spitzer was frustrated when she was unable to get a union job through the ACWA during the Depression. There were a lot of new people in the union by the time she decided to return to the clothing industry in the 1930s and many of the ACWA organizers she met during the 1915 strike were gone by the 1930s. She was not able to get a job in a union shop until she had a meeting with Frank Rosenblum. (6:52-9:49)... Spitzer was not working in a union shop when she became involved in organizing the CIO. She left her name and address at the door when she attended one of Walter Reuther's lectures. A few days later, she received a bag literature and a request to distribute the leaflets on behalf of the CIO. Her husband was not active in the labor movement because he thought he would be misrepresenting himself if he joined the union while working as a foreman in a tailor shop. He supported her efforts as long as she fulfilled her family roles. (9:49-16:07)... Spitzer managed her work and household responsibilities on top of organizing for the CIO and performing in an orchestra because she had a "good system." She prepared her children's school lunches in the mornings and was home in time to serve dinner every night. Her husband got home before her in the evenings, at which time he set the table and warmed the dinners she prepared. After she served dinner, he washed the dishes. She went to rehearsal once a week unless it was during a week she performed, in which case she had rehearsals two or three times a week. As an aside, Spitzer refers to a finger injury she sustained one night when she stayed up late doing household tasks. (16:07-19:16)... After she was fired from Boston's Department Store, she went back to work for Mandel Brothers until the ACWA got her a job at Bonds Clothing. Her first foreman there resented her because she replaced one of his favorite workers. She finally got fed up with his treatment of her and complained to her Business Agent. He resolved the issue by telling the foreman that she was recommended by the union and was to be considered a steady girl. (19:16-22:06)... Her weekly pay at Bonds Clothing was short once by ten cents. She was not going to complain until the timekeeper reimbursed another co-worker after her pay was short a penny. The timekeeper accused of being a trouble maker when she approached him. Spitzer told her Business Agent about the incident, and after he met with the manager and the timekeeper, they publicly apologized to Spitzer in front of the other workers. (22:06-23:30)... Spitzer talks about an incident at Bonds when her foreman hired an older man to work evenings instead of giving Spitzer overtime. When her co-workers threatened to stop working if he did not allow her to work overtime, he began assigning her evening shifts. (23:30-28:05)... Spitzer wanted to leave Bonds Clothing store in Oak Park because she was not making enough money to put her children through college. Her husband did not contribute to her daughter's education because he thought that girls would get married and wash diapers, so she used her wages to pay for her daughter's college education. When the manager of all Bonds stores in Chicago visited the store where she worked, she told him she was going to quit because she was not making enough money. He transferred her to their downtown store and her wages increased to $25/week. The company actually benefited because she replaced a male operator who was paid $32.50/week. She complained to the union about these wage inequalities, but they accepted the idea of a "woman's pay." (28:05-30:31)... Once she started working in the downtown store of Bond Clothing, she had problems with her co-workers who were jealous of her doing several different operations, many of which were traditionally completed by men. Even though she was paid the same wage as the other women in the shop, these women complained to the union about her position in the shop and asked that she be terminated because work was slow and she was no longer needed there. However, the union informed the women that she was transferred to the shop and she was not a new worker. End of tape. File: lhgwlspitzer22.mp3 (0:00-3:22)... Spitzer talks about the vacation pay policies at Bonds Clothing. When she was working at the Oak Park store, the foreman told her that she would not be eligible for vacation pay for another year even though she had been at the store for six months. She complained to her Business Agent who contacted the manager and insisted that she be paid five days vacation. When she picked up her check from the manager, he told her she was not eligible for a full week's vacation pay, but was giving it to her because he did not want any difficulties with the business agent. After she was transferred to the downtown store, her co-workers complained about her getting vacation pay when some of the "extra" workers had been there longer. The manager explained to them that she had been with the company for over a year. (3:22-6:55)... The women in Bonds Clothing downtown store circulated a petition calling for Spitzer's termination because they were jealous that she was more skilled and could produce more work. The chairman told the women to abandon the petition because they would never win if the matter was brought before the ACWA. Spitzer talks about her relationships with her co-workers and how she trained some of the new workers who came into the shop. She took a woman under her wing when many women refused to associate with her because she had poor personal hygiene. Eventually, the women came to like her and she became "like a mother in the shop." One way she got into the women's good graces was by bringing them reading material in an attempt to broaden their intellect. (6:55-11:28)... When Bonds Clothing opened a store on State and Jackson around 1958-59, the manager of the store asked Spitzer to work for him at the new store. The same foreman who had previously told her that she would not be eligible for vacation pay was also assigned to the shop and she was a little concerned about working with him. However, he was receptive towards her and they got along fine. The store manager gave her a tour of the new facility, at which time she chose a machine and her work station. (11:28-14:40)... Spitzer describes the physical layout of the State Street store where the manager assigned her as the shop supervisor. She was surprised by this promotion and had no idea what this position entailed. The foreman showed her how to mark garments for alterations, which she was then assigned to the various sections of the shop. After a year in this position, she felt very stressed due to the long hours and the work load. She worked six days a week and occasionally on Sundays, which meant she rarely saw her husband or children. (14:40-18:53)... Spitzer's position as shop supervisor interfered with her family life. When a last-minute bridal alternation came into the shop, she missed an anniversary date with her husband because she had to stay late and do the alterations herself. She and her husband got into an argument and he told her to quit her job. She was ambivalent about this, feeling that her husband's concerns were valid and that the company was placing too much pressure on her as shop supervisor. When she went to work the following week, she told the foreman that she was stepping down as shop supervisor and wanted to work as a pants operator. Her supervising pay ranged from $80-120/week and she took a pay cut when she returned to an operating position. (18:53-20:02)... Male operators were paid more than women at every Bonds Clothing store. When she quit the supervising position and began working as a pants operator, her pay dropped by $25/week, which was at least $10 more than the other women in the shop. By contrast, a male operator who worked across from her produced less but made about $15 or $20 more her. Even though the foreman was aware of this, nothing was done to equalize their pay. (20:02-23:20)... When she worked at Bonds Clothing, Spitzer made extra cash selling jewelry during her lunch hour to her co-workers and friends. Whenever they wanted a piece of jewelry, she ordered it for them at wholesale prices through her family's jewelry connections and marked the price up just enough to make a $10-$15 profit. She also purchased household items such as silver pieces which she re-sold. She averaged a few thousand dollars a year which went towards her children's college expenses. (23:20-28:02)... Spitzer was in the Pants Maker Local 144, when she first joined the ACWA. When she was hired at Bonds Clothing in 1935-36, she was transferred to Local 39, and later, in 1948 joined the Women's Local 275. Clara Leon had previously talked to Spitzer about joining Local 275, but she did not join earlier because their meetings were held in the evenings. Some women were resistant to her joining the Local. She surmises that it was because they didn't want people to get too close to Leon, or maybe because they didn't want people who knew more than they did, or perhaps the women wanted their members to come from certain shops. Leon advised Spitzer to request a transfer from the Joint Board. The Joint Board questioned her about the reasons for switching Locals. Abe Bender, the husband of her friend Rose, was a member of the Joint Board and told the other members about her efforts during the 1915 strike, and they granted the transfer to Local 275. End of tape. File: lhgwlspitzer23.mp3 (0:00-2:32)... Note: The recorder is turned off briefly due to technical problems, resulting in an interruption in this segment. Spitzer agrees that Local 275 was beneficial for women and enabled them to get more involved in the ACWA. She acknowledges that the Local was originally organized by Sarah Rozner and recalls once going out to dinner with Clara Leon and Rozner. She remained a member of Local 275 until she re-married in June 1963. She retired in December 1963. (2:32-5:08)... Spitzer's first husband, Saul, died a year and a half after he was operated on for removal of cancerous thyroid cells. Just before he died, he suddenly became religious and questioned why God made him sick. (5:08-13:21)... Spitzer ran into Morris Spitzer (her former shop steward at Hart, Schaffner & Marx) in May 1962 at the ACWA National Convention in Atlantic City. She was in a hurry to meet her sister in Cleveland and extended him a future dinner invitation. In August, she ran into him again outside the Sidney Hillman Medical Center and he asked her to come to his office after her appointment. She met him at the union hall and they became re-acquainted. When he told her about his family problems and his loneliness, she encouraged him to go out with friends, telling him that of women were "running after him." When she left the union hall, she did not have the nerve to ask him to walk her home even though he lived nearby. (13:21-20:29)... In December 1962, Morris Spitzer called to take her up on her earlier dinner invitation. He joined her and her sister, who was an exchange student at the Art Institute at the time. A Swedish exchange student also joined them. During dinner, Morris talked about feeling lonesome and mentioned the union's proposal that he develop a retiree's center. She encouraged him to get involved with this project and offered to help him once she retired. The next day, he called her and invited himself over to play cards. He later told her that he admired her because she was a hardworking woman who had accomplished a lot in her life and managed to have a beautiful home and raise two children. (20:29-26:18)... Morris Spizer kept intimating that she should marry him, but Lottie was not interested, commenting that she "was already married and I had enough." She enjoyed being single and spending time with her girlfriends as well as taking evening courses for personal enrichment. She and Morris began spending a lot of time together in her home. He could not take her out due to traditional Jewish mourning practice. Despite Lottie's repeated expression of disinterest in marrying him, he continued to pursue her and they finally married on June 18, 1963. End of tape. File: lhgwlspitzer24.mp3 (0:00-3:25)... Spitzer retired in December 1963. She did not miss work after she retired because all of her time was spent with her second husband, Morris Spitzer. They went everywhere together and enjoyed each other's company. She helped him build a membership base for the new Retiree's Center that was established around July 1963. The two of them developed the educational and recreational programs at the Retiree's Center and informed retirees about the medical and insurance benefits available to them. (3:25-7:03)... Morris Spitzer retired when his wife died and he got sick. When Lottie first met him, he was her shop steward at Hart, Schaffner & Marx. He was later promoted to Business Agent and eventually became the head of the Business Agents in Chicago. He also traveled around the country organizing shops and establishing ACWA offices. He was the manager of the Detroit Joint Board for twenty-five years before he retired. (7:03-8:39)... Morris Spitzer appealed to women because he was handsome and honest. She admits falling in love with him when he was her shop steward at Hart, Schaffner & Marx, stating, "when he went through the shop, everybody thought he was a God." He also appealed to men because of his friendly and helpful nature. (8:39-10:32)... When Lottie Spitzer started out in tailoring, she was a hand worker skilled in armhole basting, lining basting, and shoulder basting. After she was hired at Hart, Schaffner & Marx following the 1915 strike, she was taught how to do bottom felling on a machine. She continued to work as an operator when she went to work at Sears & Roebuck. By the time she was hired at Bonds Clothing, she was skilled in various machine operations. She was paid the same wage as finishers. (10:32-12:23)... When she was hired at Hart, Schaffner & Marx, the ACWA asked her to be the second trustee for Local 144. There were three trustees in each local. A trustee was responsible for signing the checks that were issued in the Local for salaries and miscellaneous expenses. She held this position for as long as she worked at Hart, Schaffner & Marx. (12:23-13:59)... Spitzer clarifies a remark made in an earlier interview that it was not being easy to work in a union shop. She refers to the bundle system and how the women in the shop always took the bundles that were easier to work on, leaving her with the most difficult bundles, which meant that she would produce less. (13:59-18:31)... Certain operations in the clothing industry were dominated by men, e.g. cutters, sleeve sewers, and side sewers. Women were traditionally in finishing positions. Spitzer believes that the work was divided into sections because it was easier to train unskilled workers to complete a section than an entire garment. The men always had the bigger jobs and made more money than the women and when machines were introduced, men were the first ones to become operators. When women became operators and worked on things like sleeve linings, they were paid the same wage they made as a hand finisher. Spitzer digresses regarding the ticket system in section work. (18:31-21:40)... When Spitzer returned to tailoring in the 1930s, more and more women were coming to work in the shops and occupying positions traditionally held by men although most were still finishers. One of her male co-workers at Boston's Department Store was jealous of her because she could do "men's work" as an operator. This was the same co-worker who got her fired when he told the store manager that she was with the union. (21:40-25:33)... The clothing industry in Chicago started to decline in the late thirties, early forties when shops started to close or move out of the city. When her second husband was a manager in Detroit, a big shop moved to Lansing where labor was cheaper. He sent the union in to organize that shop. Hart, Schaffner & Marx eventually moved its pants shop out of Chicago and planned to close the building when the union interceded. At that time, a small portion of the shop was left open to handle ladies garments. (25:33-27:57)... During the 1915 strike, she became acquainted with August Bellanca when he was an organizer. He use to take her and a friend out to eat. After the strike, he asked Spitzer to go back to Baltimore with him and he would find her a job and send her to school. End of tape. File: lhgwlspitzer25.mp3 (0:00-7:25)... Before August Bellanca left Chicago, he sent an Italian man to a New Year's Eve party to find Spitzer and let her know that he wanted to say good bye. Bellanca asked her to move to Baltimore and told her he would find her a job and send her to school. When she told her aunt about her plans, she told Spitzer that if her mother found out she was going away with an Italian man she would have a heart attack. Spitzer wrote Bellanca and told him that her aunt would not permit her to go to Baltimore. He wrote back and told her that if she came to Baltimore she would have a career. He made arrangements with a friend to buy her a ticket should she decide to move. She never responded to his letter and he later married Dorothy Jacobs. Spitzer's second husband use to tease her that if she would have married Bellanca, "there would have never been a Dorothy Bellanca." (7:25-8:36)... Spitzer notes that she lived somewhat of a sheltered life with her parents in Russia. When she came to the US, "I wanted to know everything [and] there was nothing too hard for me to learn." (8:36-10:49)... Spitzer tried to avoid getting herself into compromising positions with men. She was a shy girl and pushed boys away when they tried to make advances towards her. 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